Hunter and I had the distinct pleasure of speaking with Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine, author, and OG DMT researcher, Rick Strassman, M.D., about his latest book “My Altered States: A Doctor’s Extraordinary Account of Trauma, Psychedelics, and Spiritual Growth”, subjective vs. objective experience, cannabis, Hunter’s DMT experience, Rick’s magic carpet experience, altered states as escape, altered states as exploration, and much more.